Tonight in the small town I am living in they held a town hall meeting and someone asked that we have a moment to remember the people killed in Uvalde and Santa Fe when one man said it was too soon to open those wounds. I daily carry and so do most people here so I asked when it was time to talk about it. I said that it happens so damn often that even waiting a day is just waiting for the next one to happen and new wounds to be had. One council woman pointed out that I carry and asked if I was anti or pro gun rights, I told everyone that I am all for the right of people being armed as long as they are responsible. She asked what I meant and I explained that I believed that every firearm owner is 100% responsible for every single round that ever leaves their muzzle, if they are not in possession of their weapon due to sale, theft, or loss and do not report it to the required authorities as soon as possible they are allowing someone to use their weapon to do anything and should be held responsible. All sales both private and retail should be reported and cleared by law enforcement, the 72 hour max approval rule should be killed to give law enforcement the required time to properly vet all buyers.
A few objected and one guy yelled that I was suggesting socialism so I asked him what socialism was, he said some shit about it is taking away peoples rights and a few people laughed, I explained that socialism was simply using public funds to benefit the entire population, that police, fire EMS, schools, roads, and even government are socialism. I said that jails and prisons are socialism, that churches are socialist because they take the donations to benefit all of the parish and because they were tax exempt their socialism was extended into everyone that pays what they do not, I reminded them all that the government uses their tax dollars to benefit private companies every day with no recompense while said company reaps the profits.
I explained that all I was suggesting was common sense when it comes to guns, teaching everyone safety and respect for them, keeping them away from kids and anyone that could be a danger then someone said that it was just the assault rifles that we had to worry about, I stopped that on a dime telling her that most mass shootings were committed with hand guns, that only 0.1% of all killings are mass shootings and that 61% are either a family member or close friend, that less than 30% of all homicides featured a rifle even if never used, that rifle only for ALL deaths was 13% and that number is dropping due to the ease of home milling and ghost guns.

New laws will never change a dam thing because we already have the needed laws in place, it is the sunset rules that kill it, everyone is law abiding person right up until they commit a crime either by intent or omission. Stop blaming the dreaded black rifles, high capacity magazines, and all of that for the few people that are disturbed enough to take their personal pain out on others, hell to be honest most of these mass killings could be eliminated if the would be shooters were able to just go pay for pussy. Mass killings tend to be a white only issue and even at that it's mostly white conservative males that can best be described as INCELS, involuntarily celebate, so it is clear that they would benefit from legal prostitution or meeting the local slut.

To be honest a ton of it could be avoided with a simple psyche screening before purchase to determine if someone is a danger but the current stigma about mental health stops all of that. I can post all kinds of charts and figures to back up what I am saying but noone really cares about reality because we all live in our own little bubbles of denial and lies and will never accept that we all want the same things in the end. Too bad the same shit will happen when people take sides and nothing gets done at all over and over again and again. Instead of focusing on differences maybe we should be looking for what we all have in common.

 

I have been called a ton of names in my life, several here but the gun nut and anti-gun labels tend to cut me to the quick. I am in no way anti gun ownership, nor am I a gun nut, I know that most owners are responsible most of the time but all that it takes is those few seconds when we forget to lock them up, forget to unload them, or just know where the hell our guns are. I have said before that I agree with both sides and that I disagree with them as well, each group does make valid points but we are all caught up in the left V right bullshit battle to even listen to common sense. I know that I have been through times in my bad days when my friends were right to take my guns from me for safety because I could have done something stupid and harmed someone or myself, I also have had times when shooting was a form of therapy. Watching a 32 ounce bottle of Tannerite go up sure as hell sooths an angry soul, hell stripping a full ammo belt out of an M-60 at full auto will calm even the most aggressive mind.
Never get me wrong there are some that just want to create havoc and chaos just to entertain themselves and turn to a weapon to do so where I use words to piss people off and make them have to think about things they do not want to admit to. I hate abortion but at the same time I am not paying for someone elses kids, I get that people need social welfare at times but say we need to go back to that sunset provision that cuts it off after just 6 months of sitting on your ass, I hate the prison system because it is ineffective but admit that we still need a place to keep the idiots that dangerous because we cannot simply execute them all. I have experienced racism but still say 99% of it is bullshit that people claim to get attention, I can see why people do not believe rape claims after years have passed but being a survivor myself I know why most never go to police.
I am a man of faith but reject the church because all organized religion teaches segregation and exclusiveness, hell the bible of today is at best a poorly edited bastardized version of the original texts designed to control the weak minded. I no longer let people know that I was in the Army simply because I was state side running supply and some say I was just a civilian while some thank me for my service, issue with both is thanking me is offensive if you stayed on the sidelines while the poor people put their asses on the line, saying I was a civilian is offensive because no unit ever moved unless people like me ensured drops so they had what they needed every day, hell soldiers cannot even wipe their asses if we did not do our jobs and arrange planes, trucks, trains, and even cars to get them what they needed.
Start looking for commonalities you hard headed fucks because most of us are tired of the one sided bull shit that you all preach.

 

3-year-old accidentally kills mom after finding ‘unsecured’ gun, South Carolina deputies say

The Charlotte Observer
September 22, 2022



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A South Carolina mom was accidentally shot and killed after her 3-year-old found an “unsecured” gun, officials said. The Spartanburg County Sheriff’s Office was called to a shooting on Wednesday. While at the scene on South Pine Street, officials reported finding a child, mom and grandmother. The mom had been shot and was rushed to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead. She was identified as 33-year-old Cora Lyn Bush of Spartanburg, according to information deputies shared in conjunction with the Spartanburg County Coroner’s Office. “The grandmother was interviewed, and her account of the ...

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Under the guise of investigating straw purchases, the ATF is now harassing legal firearm owners via warrantless knock and talk inspections. In essence, if you buy more than one gun, you will have ATF officers knocking on your front door. This has Klickitat County, Washington Sheriff Bob Songer telling his residents to send the ATF packing.

Knock and Talk Inspections Are Becoming a Real Concern
Don’t get us wrong, straw purchases are not ok. We are against firearms getting into the hands of criminals as well. However, even less ok is President Biden’s ATF using this as a smokescreen to perform warrantless firearm inspections. This is still the United States of America, and we still have a Fourth Amendment right against illegal search and seizure.

Federal law enforcement is not above the law or the Constitution. Just like local police officers, they have to obtain a search warrant to perform any kind of search. But that isn’t stopping the ATF from using knock and talk techniques to inspect firearms—with no criminal activity evident. This has some in government and law enforcement apprehensive.

According to a letter to AG Merrick Garland, from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA), “In all of the ‘knock and talk’ incidents brought to my attention, none involved the presentation of a warrant. Simultaneously, multiple ATF agents, dressed in official ATF gear—including bulletproof vests—did not inform the resident purchaser of the optional nature of his or her participation in brandishing the requested firearm. The combination of these factors calls into question whether the ATF’s actions are meant to harass or coerce firearm purchasers into, at best, legally questionable ‘investigations.’”

The letter goes on to question the legitimacy of these knock and talk visits. Likewise, Ernst demands to know the criteria used to establish probable cause and whether warrants are obtained.

But she’s not the only one addressing this. A Washington county Sheriff is also speaking out.


Sheriff Suggests Telling ATF Agents to Leave
Klickitat County, Washington Sheriff Bob Songer is not having these illegal interactions in his county. In fact, he tells residents that if ATF agents knock on the door and it isn’t a consensual encounter, tell them to leave. Although he states that interactions of this kind haven’t occurred in his county yet, he’s getting out ahead of it.

Washington Times reports, “Sheriff Songer, who is running for reelection to a third term in office, said that if residents are contacted by an ATF agent or any other federal agent lacking a search warrant to inspect firearms they have purchased, residents do not have to cooperate with the authorities and should contact his office if the agents refuse to leave their property.”

Songer goes on to say that if the agents refuse to leave, they are trespassing. As a result, he says to call him, and he will make contact with the agents. And, if they still refuse to leave, he will personally arrest them for Criminal Trespass and book them. According to Songer, these surprise visits are nothing more than a fishing expedition to see what guns you have.

Regarding repercussions from the federal government:


“I really don’t care what the FBI or the ATF or the Biden administration has to say. One thing about an elected chair, his only boss is the people that elect him — not the county commissioners, not the governor, not the city, state attorney general, not the president or anyone,” he said. “So, I don’t really worry too much about what they have to say.”

If the ATF isn’t careful, there might be videos coming out of Klickitat County, like this one from Columbus, Ohio:




Under the guise of investigating straw purchases, the ATF is now harassing legal firearm owners via warrantless knock and talk inspections. In essence, if you buy more than one gun, you will have ATF officers knocking on your front door. This has Klickitat County, Washington Sheriff Bob Songer telling his residents to send the ATF packing.

Knock and Talk Inspections Are Becoming a Real Concern
Don’t get us wrong, straw purchases are not ok. We are against firearms getting into the hands of criminals as well. However, even less ok is President Biden’s ATF using this as a smokescreen to perform warrantless firearm inspections. This is still the United States of America, and we still have a Fourth Amendment right against illegal search and seizure.

Federal law enforcement is not above the law or the Constitution. Just like local police officers, they have to obtain a search warrant to perform any kind of search. But that isn’t stopping the ATF from using knock and talk techniques to inspect firearms—with no criminal activity evident. This has some in government and law enforcement apprehensive.

According to a letter to AG Merrick Garland, from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA), “In all of the ‘knock and talk’ incidents brought to my attention, none involved the presentation of a warrant. Simultaneously, multiple ATF agents, dressed in official ATF gear—including bulletproof vests—did not inform the resident purchaser of the optional nature of his or her participation in brandishing the requested firearm. The combination of these factors calls into question whether the ATF’s actions are meant to harass or coerce firearm purchasers into, at best, legally questionable ‘investigations.’”

The letter goes on to question the legitimacy of these knock and talk visits. Likewise, Ernst demands to know the criteria used to establish probable cause and whether warrants are obtained.

But she’s not the only one addressing this. A Washington county Sheriff is also speaking out.


Sheriff Suggests Telling ATF Agents to Leave
Klickitat County, Washington Sheriff Bob Songer is not having these illegal interactions in his county. In fact, he tells residents that if ATF agents knock on the door and it isn’t a consensual encounter, tell them to leave. Although he states that interactions of this kind haven’t occurred in his county yet, he’s getting out ahead of it.

Washington Times reports, “Sheriff Songer, who is running for reelection to a third term in office, said that if residents are contacted by an ATF agent or any other federal agent lacking a search warrant to inspect firearms they have purchased, residents do not have to cooperate with the authorities and should contact his office if the agents refuse to leave their property.”

Songer goes on to say that if the agents refuse to leave, they are trespassing. As a result, he says to call him, and he will make contact with the agents. And, if they still refuse to leave, he will personally arrest them for Criminal Trespass and book them. According to Songer, these surprise visits are nothing more than a fishing expedition to see what guns you have.

Regarding repercussions from the federal government:


“I really don’t care what the FBI or the ATF or the Biden administration has to say. One thing about an elected chair, his only boss is the people that elect him — not the county commissioners, not the governor, not the city, state attorney general, not the president or anyone,” he said. “So, I don’t really worry too much about what they have to say.”

If the ATF isn’t careful, there might be videos coming out of Klickitat County, like this one from Columbus, Ohio:

 

Weaker concealed carry laws linked to increase in gun crimes, study shows

Jake Zuckerman, Ohio Capital Journal
September 27, 2022



Semi automatic handgun that has just been fired (Shutterstock)


Weakened concealed carry laws are associated with an estimated 9.5% increase in rates of criminal assaults with firearms, according to research published last week.

That relationship is most pronounced in places that allow people convicted of violent misdemeanor crimes to carry a concealed firearm. Those states are associated with an estimated 24% increase in assaults with a gun.

“What we saw was that prohibiting violent misdemeanors from obtaining a permit actually ended up mattering a lot,” said Mitchell Doucette, an assistant scientist at Johns Hopkins University Center for Gun Violence Solutions, the lead author on the research.

Additionally, Doucette said the research indicates that states removing a requirement that applicants complete live firearms training, like shooting at a gun range, are associated with an 18% increase in assaults with a firearm.

Concealed carry programs vary by state in terms of whether officials have discretion to deny permits even to those who meet all the legal requirements, sometimes for things like character “suitability” or a history of dangerous behavior. States that allow the discretion are known as “may issue” states, as opposed to “shall issue” states.

The study analyzes 34 states that relaxed their concealed carry programs between 1980 and 2019, and compares them against predicted crime rates based on data from “may issue” states. The research was published in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

According to the study, there’s a simple relationship between exposure to firearms outside the home and the likelihood of a violent gun crime. As cultural norms and laws around guns change, more hostile altercations are likely to involve guns, the authors wrote. It follows that those convicted of violent misdemeanors, who in some states can lawfully carry concealed weapons, commit gun crimes at seven times the rate of gun buyers without a criminal history.

Given the period studied, the research doesn’t consider several GOP states that have removed licensure requirements to carry concealed weapons or a key U.S. Supreme Court ruling overturning New York’s may-issue program.

This summer, Ohio joined a list of 24 other states that do not require any special permit to carry a concealed weapon. The law passed solely with Republican support. Now, any adults who can lawfully possess a weapon may carry it concealed on their persons.

The recent research focuses on states that loosen concealed carry programs, but not those that remove licensure as a requirement to carry a concealed weapon. However, Doucette said the study suggests that Ohio may experience more gun crimes in the future by removing its ability to screen out people who have been convicted of violent assaults from carrying a concealed weapon.

“I do think that losing that screening ability is important,” he said. “I think it’s meaningful.”

Ohio’s concealed carry program still exists, but it’s no longer required in order to carry in-state. Applying gun owners must complete eight hours of training and pass a criminal background check to obtain a permit. While state law allows those convicted of violent misdemeanors to possess a weapon, it does not allow them to obtain a concealed carry permit.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a landmark opinion with major implications for state concealed carry laws. A 6-3 majority overturned a New York law that required those seeking to carry a concealed weapon to demonstrate that “proper cause” exists to carry a weapon for self-protection beyond that of the general public. This has prompted some may issue states to revisit their programs. Meanwhile, the Ohio Supreme Court noted the federal ruling and asked parties to submit arguments in a case challenging a state law that prohibits people who are under indictment for violent crimes from possessing a weapon.

Doucette said the research indicates if states want to reduce gun crime, they should ensure their concealed carry laws prohibit those with violent misdemeanors from carrying a weapon.



https://www.rawstory.com/concealed-carry-laws/

 

I have no idea of whether or not this is a valid study regarding concealed carry. But for those who would never trust a scientist working for an oil company regarding Climate Change, how can you trust the objectivity of a researcher at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Gun Violence Solutions?
Is this a neutral observer? Sounds to me like the same people pushing COVID lockdowns, J6, Russia Collusion and Climate Change.

And those who believe in this study, i.e., that it is certain that states removing a requirement that applicants complete live firearms training, like shooting at a gun range, are associated with an 18% increase in assaults with a firearm, are also somehow the same ones who refuse to believe that the vaxx may cause problems because there hasn't been enough research.

 

There's an easier way to evaluate the truth of the story.
+stumbler+wrong story= bullshit and propaganda. Ignore.

 

Gun rights is not about republicans or democrats, conservatives or liberals. As anyone has the right to bear arms regardless of any party affiliation. That said, the framers explicitly state "a well regulated militia." The US had no standing army when the second amendment was adopted. So an armed citizenry was the only real safeguard against enemies either foreign or domestic.

Most people who own guns are noty in any well regulated militias. But I agree that one should have to right to own a firearm for self protection if one so chooses.

 

My grandmother taught me how to be safe with guns and how to shoot when I was 8 years old. I've had guns my whole life and still have four of them. And still shoot. But my grandma would be rolling over in her grave to see even the amount of gun carelessness we have now let alone all the mass shootings and gun violence.

Which is why I fully support common sense gun controls and methods of curbing the violence and carelessness. And at the top of the list is not letting people who have no business with guns being able to walk in off the streets and buy assault weapons. That is insanity pushed by the NRA and treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans that do their bidding.

And I see an easy solution short of banning assault weapons which I would support. But if they can't ban assault weapons than at least reclassify them akin to they way fully automatic machine guns are classified. You can by a fully automatic machine gun in the US but they don't sell them to just anyone and they are strictly regulated. They don't just let anyone have one which is why we never see mass shootings with machine guns.

And since there are accessories that turn semi automatic assault weapons into fully automatic it makes sense to classify them as fully automatic.

 

It was the Sandy Hook parents who figured out a way to get around the immunity the NRA got Congress to grant the gun makers. They can't go after them for flooding our streets with assault weapons but they can and did go after them they way the market them. And it looks like that opened the flood gates. And they have it coming.

Highland Park victims sue gun-maker, stores over negligence and deceptive practices

Julia Conley, Common Dreams
September 29, 2022



Residents deliver flowers and leave chalk messages at a memorial depicting the seven people killed after a mass shooting at the Fourth of July parade in Highland Park. - Brian Cassella/Chicago Tribune/TNS


Calling this summer's Independence Day parade massacre in Highland Park, Illinois "predictable and preventable," the families of three people who were killed joined several people who were injured in filing a lawsuit against several parties, including gun-maker Smith & Wesson, on Wednesday.

Along with the company—which plaintiffs argue violated a consumer protection law—the families and victims sued online retailer Bud's Gun Shop, local gun store Red Dot Arms, shooting suspect Robert Crimo III, and Robert Crimo, Jr., the suspect's father.

The "shooter was the type of a young consumer susceptible to Smith & Wesson's deceptive and unfair marketing, and was enabled by his father," reads the lawsuit.



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The two gun stores should not have sold Crimo—who also faces criminal charges—the Smith & Wesson firearm he is accused of using, the lawsuit argues, as his billing address clearly showed he lived in Highland Park, where assault weapons are prohibited.

"You don't expect to go to your child's first parade and leave with something other than happy memories, but instead, I left with shrapnel permanently lodged in my body."

The families also argue that Crimo's father "enabled the shooter's thirst for violence by sponsoring his [Firearm Owners Identification] application, despite his knowledge that the shooter was disturbed and threatened violence."

According to Brady Legal, one of the firms representing the plaintiffs, Smith & Wesson should be held "liable for unlawful marketing and advertising of its M&P 15 assault rifle," which Crimo allegedly used to kill seven people and wound 48 people on July 4th.

"Smith & Wesson's marketing campaigns specifically targeted adolescents, who are drawn to the risk-taking associated with militaristic weapons and combat missions, such as young players of violent first-person shooter video games like Call of Duty, which prominently features variants of the weapons designed and manufactured by Smith & Wesson," said Brady Legal.

The lawsuit argues the company is guilty of violating the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Practices Act by promising prospective gun buyers that they can "experience real-life first-person shooting with the Smith & Wesson M&P rifle" and "experience more adrenaline" with their products.

Elizabeth Turnipseed, the lead plaintiff in the suit, was shot while attending the parade with her husband and three-year-old daughter. A bullet hit her major organs and her injuries "will require lifelong medical treatment."

"You don't expect to go to your child's first parade and leave with something other than happy memories, but instead, I left with shrapnel permanently lodged in my body," said Turnipseed. "This lawsuit will hopefully keep other families and other communities from suffering the same way that we and the Highland Park community have suffered."

Victims of a synagogue shooting in Poway, California in 2019 also sued Smith & Wesson over its advertising practices; that case is still underway. Gun manufacturer Remington settled a similar case with the families of victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, agreeing to pay a reported $73 million.

Through such lawsuits, Erin Davis, senior counsel for trial and appellate litigation at Brady, told Vanity Fair, "products get safer, marketing stops being deceptive, and the gun industry will stop profiting off of loss of life."

https://www.rawstory.com/highland-p...ores-over-negligence-and-deceptive-practices/

 

W!T!F!

 

Oops: Recent Gun Control Poll in D.C. Breaks the Narrative
by Larry Keane

September 29, 2022


The recent news about major credit card companies tracking purchases at firearm retailers is ruffling feathers. That is, with everyone except the nation’s largest gun control groups and supporters. So, D.C. decided to poll residents to verify that they are behind the gun control effort. The results weren’t what they expected.

D.C. Poll Finds Citizens Do Not Support Recent Gun Control Efforts
The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) announced late last month it created a firearm-specific Merchant Category Code (MCC), and it’s gone over like a lead balloon. In the nation’s Capitol, a news station tried to gauge support for the code. However, in what should’ve been a slam dunk in one of the country’s strictest gun control cities, the exact opposite happened.

Gun Control Praise
News outlets all covered the new MCC for firearm-related purchases. The Washington Post reported, “Visa, Mastercard, AmEx to start categorizing gun shop sales,” asserting the nation’s major credit card companies all agreed to implement the new tracking code. Gun control advocates praised the news.

“Today’s announcement is a critical first step towards giving banks and credit card companies the tools they need to recognize dangerous firearm purchasing trends,” John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety, said. “But this is only the first step.”

Moms Demand Action’s Shannon Watts praised the announcement too. “These new merchant codes will help banks and financial institutions track suspicious and potentially illegal gun purchases.”

New York’s Democratic Attorney General Letitia James added, “Today’s decision requiring credit cards to categorize gun sales is a big victory.”


One of the biggest cheerleaders for the new tracking code is Priscilla Sims Brown, president, and CEO of New York-based Amalgamated Bank, the gun control advocacy bank that applied for the new code from ISO. “We won,” Sims Brown stated.

Survey Says?
Law-abiding Americans see it as nothing more than overreach, even though gun control schemers are praising the code. Specifically, since there has been no definition by the code’s backers as to what “suspicious activity” means. No word on what the financial institutions will do with the information and what stores will specifically be coded. Americans see the ruse.

In Washington, D.C., FOX 5 News polled their audience on the new MCC. They asked, “Do you think credit card companies should track gun sales?”

In a city that has some of the country’s most strict gun control laws and whose citizens overwhelmingly vote for gun control-supportive politicians, the response was resoundingly clear.


All told, 75 percent of respondents to the gun control poll voted “No.” That’s crystal clear. Americans understand the code isn’t about safety at all. It’s about tracking them.

Credit Card Companies Pushed
The MCC announcement came at a pertinent time. The CEOs of major banks were grilled by lawmakers last week in Washington, D.C., over the issue.

Bank CEOs from Wells Fargo, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Truist Financial Corporation, U.S. Bancorp, and PNC Financial all faced questions, mostly dodged on answers, and didn’t deny the banks’ consideration of implementing the code while not outright dismissing the practice.

Citigroup CEO Jane Fraser provided only a vanilla acknowledgment while not saying the bank would reject using the code. “We respect the Second Amendment, as I said, we do not intend to use the code to restrict or limit any purchases or firearm sales by our credit card customers.”


JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon was similarly coy.

“We actually don’t know what they use it for, and we don’t want to be in the business of telling American citizens what they can do with their money. We understand your concerns over the issue,” he told members of the Senate Banking Committee.

In a letter responding to U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and several senators supportive of the new tracking code, American Express Executive Vice President Brett Loper wrote, “We require merchants who accept American Express cards to adhere to all applicable laws. Our policy has been, and will remain, that our customers are able to make legal firearm purchases using our Cards.”

Vagueness is The Point
The announcement of the new tracking code for sales at federally-licensed firearm retailers has given the country’s largest banks just enough wiggle room to avoid being specific. In most cases, they acknowledge the code was created and state they won’t use it to deny law-abiding Americans the ability to buy lawful firearms. Or that those Americans would be flagged by authorities for “suspicious activity.” Their answers are far from clear.


What is clear is that Americans do not support the tracking code. Even in a gun-control city like Washington, D.C. that almost always support gun control measures.

Story originally posted to NSSF.org.

 

Wonder how they'll spin this to blame the NRA?

 

And in all that, there isn't a link to any poll...

 

Yep, that's all I have for you anon.... Now run along...

 

Of course not. No there is no link to the poll and @CS natureboy also never provides a link to his c & p posts.

And here's why.

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2022/09/gun-control-poll/

 

Congress Hides More Gun Control in Spending Bill H.R. 8256
by Joshua Swanagon September 28, 2022


The Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2023. That sounds harmless enough. In fact, you would have to be some kind of animal not to want something like that passed. Right? Justice, science, who wouldn’t want to fund those? Probably anyone who actually reads past the title. But that’s the point, isn’t it? Hide your gun control measures in a spending bill with an innocuous title.

Spending Bill in Congress Has No Shortage of Gun Control
You really don’t need a copy of the Democrat playbook to figure it out. They have been running the same tired play for years. Give the bill a title that only people who hate American citizens would vote against and hide a bunch of pork in it.

But not just any old pork, the kind of pork that no one wants but them. That’s why it’s hidden. Because it cannot withstand the litmus test of the democratic process. So, they hide it and then have Speaker Nancy Pelosi decry what wretched monsters Republicans are for opposing it. But they never debate the bill itself in the public square.

Well, they’re at it again. This time, it is the Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2023. And it’s a doozy, full of anti-Second Amendment garbage that would never pass true public scrutiny. Except in the most anti-gun echo chambers. In truth, it’s practically just a gun bill in disguise.

According to Gun Owners of America, the bill is a gun control wish list that includes the following items:

1. Massive ATF Budget Increase to Facilitate Biden’s Pistol Ban
2. Gun Registration Funding
3. Gun Confiscation Law Funding
4. Financial Benefits for Families of Deceased ATF Agents Killed or Injured on the Job while Enforcing Gun Control
5. Ammunition Background Check Study
6. Gun Control Research, Unbound by the Dickey Amendment
7. Anti-gun Community Violence Interventions
8. “Domestic Violence Firearms Lethality Reduction Initiative”
9. “Violent Anti-Government Ideology” Research
10. Gun Control Earmarks

Gun Control Wish List
Unlike any bipartisan gun control package (an affront to our rights), this one is a Democrat wish list. It is full of all the garbage they couldn’t get into the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act.


A particularly egregious item is the ammunition background check study. The plan with this is to treat the purchase of ammunition the same as when you purchase a firearm. The study will seek ways to implement a background check system for the purchase of ammunition in the very near future.

Likewise, the ATF will be receiving a substantial budget increase to enhance gun registries and enforce red flag laws. Not to mention the facilitation of Biden’s pistol ban. So, get back to work; the ATF needs more money to take your firearms. They also need more money in the event they are injured or killed in the process of stealing your firearms.

By the way, terrorist, the bill also adds more budget to research “Violent Anti-Government Ideology.” Like the kind President Joe Biden called out in his last speech. Or the kind the FBI and DHS have clearly identified in recently released documents. Spoiler alert: It’s you.

I will admit, they are clever, though. The bill does seemingly include provisions for addressing gun violence and domestic abuse. Now, if you call out the gun control items in the bill, they can point to those items and ask why you are against them.


Of course, there is nothing about how they plan to get guns out of the hands of criminals. Or the fact that these proposals remove firearms from the hands of women, who need them most in a domestic violence situation. Their only focus is removing guns from the hands of law-abiding gun owners. Even though a gun in a good guy’s hands saves lives.

What’s Not in the Bill
The items that are not in the bill are almost as telling as what is in the bill. You will notice there is nothing about gun safety education. Remember when that was taught in schools, and there were no school shootings?

Speaking of schools, there is very little in there to address school safety and the prevention of mass shootings. I wonder how much of this money could be used to harden schools. I bet it would go a long way towards safeguarding our children.

Also, while the bill includes funds for “White Supremacist Domestic Radicalization Research,” Antifa isn’t mentioned one time. Nor is Black Lives Matter. Or any violent left-wing extremist organization. Apparently, terrorizing an entire country for over a year doesn’t qualify as domestic terrorism.


There doesn’t seem to be any mention of funds to dominantly black communities ravaged by the Antifa/BLM riots either.

GOA Takes a Stand
Of course, if this does slip through both the House and the Senate, there will be Supreme Court challenges. But that takes time, and a lot of damage can be done while we wait. Specifically in the hands of the ATF, who, according to GOA:

“You will be forced to give the ATF your name, Social Security number, address, phone number, email, payment information, FINGERPRINTS, as well as the make, model, and serial number of your firearm – and provide photographic evidence of your compliance.”

As I am sure you have noticed, this is just another Trojan Horse federal gun grab. The GOA is having none of it and recently sent a letter to Congress condemning gun control in this spending bill, item by item. In the letter, the organization details explicit and specific infringements of the Bill of Rights.


But this fight cannot be on GOA alone, we have to let our representatives know that we do not support this back door gun grab. For this reason, GOA suggests calling your representative and telling them you oppose any and all infringement on the Second Amendment.

And while we’re at it, let’s beat the rush and get these people out of the government in November. We cannot survive two more years of this kind of rule.

 

No gun Rights have been expanded, let's get this lie clear to the media, Some gun rights are being restored. But the idea that gun rights are being expanded is false on its face. The gun rights were always there. Some states took them, now we are taking them back! Gun rights are being restored, not expanded!

 

Did automatic weapons exist when the Constitution was written? Then yes, gun rights have expanded. You now have the right to kill 30 people with the pull of a trigger, when you could only do one (if you were a good shot with an unrifled barrel) before.

Technology has given you these rights.